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spooky guests and creepy tales all of

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but you'll be hearing from guests in the

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realm of monster hunting ghost hunting

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and they're just plain weird

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want to hear your stories whether it was

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a ghost a monster or just something that

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terrified you beyond belief reach out to

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somewhere in the skies so about a month

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ago I gave a presentation in Nova Scotia

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titled beyond the Bermuda Triangle the

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aim was to show how many places

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throughout the world hold just as much

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mystery tragedy and pure curiosity

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there's the dragon's triangle in Japan

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which seems to swallow vessels into the

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Pacific Ocean in one violent gulp or

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there's the burl a triangle in France

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where the entire country's most plane

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crashes have occurred within a ten-mile

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radius of this mountainous terrain the

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bold new in triangle in England is full

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of strange history and ghostly tales

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then there's the Great Lakes triangle

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here in the US where tragedy struck many

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boats in Lake Michigan the last one I

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covered there was a plethora of strange

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things happening in Massachusetts in

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what is known as the Bridgewater

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triangle where ancient Native American

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curses bring about supernatural

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phenomena reported even up until today

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now the actual triangle shape plays very

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little into all this in my opinion it's

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a shape put onto a condensed area of

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strange happenings based solely on the

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Bermuda Triangle in the mysteries we

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shaped around it sometimes these areas

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run long long distances Crossing towns

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cities and states and one of those

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places is known as the Chestnut Ridge

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and it is covered extensively in this

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week's interview with filmmaker

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Breedlove Breedlove is the head of

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small-town monsters an independent film

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series that explores lost and bizarre

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history around the United States

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tells stories through the words and

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experiences of those who were most

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affected by them residents and witnesses

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his previous films include Minerva

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monster beast of Whitehall beast of

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Boggy Creek and the Mothman of Point

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Pleasant we'll be talking today

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extensively about his new film invasion

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on Chestnut Ridge which delves into one

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of the most intriguing and unusual areas

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this side of the Bermuda Triangle it

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tells the tale of the Kecksburg UFO

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crash the Uniontown Bigfoot UFO

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sightings encounters with a large

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prehistoric bird in Keystone State Park

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so without further ado here's my

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conversation with Seth Breedlove thanks

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so much for joining us today man yeah no

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problem love talking to you it's cool to

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be on the show and I've been following

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your work for for quite a while so it's

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always cool to actually talk to someone

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who's into the creative side of things

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as well so we can connect on that level

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absolutely the feelings are more than

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mutual well I mean in terms of work you

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have been a busy guy lately by the you

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know at the point that we're recording

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this you were recently in Maine and then

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West Virginia for the International

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cryptozoology conference and the Mothman

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festival respectively how was it man a

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whirlwind I see yeah we did we did Maine

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the first weekend and that was kind of

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like our first it was as I think we

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like the craziest thing about that event

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like Steve Bessette who was the artist

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kind of that that's like one of my

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artist was like there he was one of the

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speakers so I ended up hanging out with

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him we're talking about collaborating on

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some stuff so that was really cool just

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that was amazing but then Linda Godfrey

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her and talk a little bit about Bray

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Road which is a subject where we're

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year and and then yeah they they gave me

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cryptozoologist to the Year award and

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that was kind of cool too so it was that

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didn't matter at the end of it cuz we

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just had a good time and I was there

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with my wife and everything so we had a

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lot of fun and it was cool too because

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the event so it was almost like a mini

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small monsters event

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yeah yeah it was cool as a lot of fun

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and then we did that and then the next

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weekend we were in Kentucky for cryptic

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con which was fun I got to be with Lyle

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which you know we don't get to see each

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other a lot so it's always kind of cool

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when we can reconnect and talk about

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what we want to do next so we were with

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him the next weekend and then then this

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past weekend was the the Mothman

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festival where we actually finally did

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the first like large-scale screening of

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the Mothman appoint pleasant and that

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went so fantastic it was ridiculous

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there was we showed it at the State

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it's it's not like a huge theater or

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anything but it's one of those really

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cool like old historic venues and I we

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we've shown our movies and so many of

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those places and I love them the one

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preceding events had gone on it was like

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90 plus degrees in there but they packed

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out and we had to there's 275 seats and

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they had taken up every single seat and

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people were standing around the back of

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the room it's sitting on the floor and

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so that was pretty amazing people came

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up afterward like hugging me and all

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kinds of stuff so it was a really moving

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have placed the show the film also like

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something I found after the fact was

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that when the Silver Bridge collapsed in

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1967 and if anyone's seen our Mothman

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movie that moment plays like a key role

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in the movie that's actually where they

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put the bodies for identification is

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inside the State Theater which I didn't

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even oh yeah yeah they cranked I guess

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they just cranked the air conditioner in

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there and then that's where they put all

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the bodies for identification which I I

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had no idea about that

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so learning something yeah yeah the

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whole weekend was like weirdly there's

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there was just a lot of like

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synchronicities I started noticing like

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because we had we were showing the movie

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the movie started at the exact moment I

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would have gotten down to when do we

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park at the far end of Point Pleasant

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the year before to the day to the minute

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where I would have gotten down to the

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park and shot the very first piece of

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footage that would eventually make it

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what about was was like the exact moment

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where we queued up to premiere to show

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the movie so I thought that was kind of

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cool and the world just all these little

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like things like that throughout the

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weekend that I thought were really cool

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and then as I was kind of winding down

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on Sunday we had already taken

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everything down and we had loaded the

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car we had like our biggest event that

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we've ever done financially as far as

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like selling copies of the movie and

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everything so that's huge for us always

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because were that's how we fund what we

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do right but I walked down to Harris

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steak house and the movie the Montana

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point pleasant movies dedicated to

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Carolyn Harris who passed away this this

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past December and that's how I ended the

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trip I walked down to the steak house

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where the steak house used to be there's

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like a old there's a for rent sign on it

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they've taken down the sign the insides

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been gutted and apparently I just

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thought it would be great to end a

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really happy fun weekend on a really low

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kind of somber

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select but it was it was an amazing

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event and it's one of the few events

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where when it's over I really wish it

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wasn't you know because usually your

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dead by the by the end of something like

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this that you're just like I want to go

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home and this is like one of the few

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where I do not want to go home or I

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almost feel like that is my home and I'm

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leaving or something that's weird

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yeah I mean you you you find people in

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these communities you know whether it's

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UFOs or cryptids or a paranormal

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investigation and you become so close

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and intimate because of these strange

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things you have in common that it does

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feel like a family and every time you

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have to leave it's like being a foster

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child you get ripped apart the minute

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you start connecting so yeah because now

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now I don't have the people I can talk

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about all this weird crap with right and

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not get that side I glance or just the I

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get it man I have been there a million

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times well that's incredible I mean all

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that you've done with Mothman it's just

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it's exploded and for those of my

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listeners who may not be too familiar

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with small town monsters I want to kind

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of introduce them to your career which

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is just booming lately so let's start

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with when did your filmmaking career

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truly begin we are going back to the

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origin story man

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okay so I've always been into film and

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as a kid I was my mom my mom like

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introduced me to Hammer horror films and

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Ray Harryhausen and all that kind of

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stuff like this stuff that's kind of

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formed me into Who I am that was all my

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mom and but growing up that was what I

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wanted to do was be a filmmaker and at

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some point I kind of gave up on that

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which would have been right around when

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I was about 21 years old I just thought

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it's unrealistic to think I'll ever do

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that and you know a decade or so passed

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and next thing you know I'm making

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documentaries I've had no formal

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training and we jumped into making

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Minerva monster which was our first film

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as a total one-off let's try to put

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together this documentary about this

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story that I was really into I've threw

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together with some friends with any

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equipment we could scrape together and

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that was just three years ago so in that

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time we've put out we're working on the

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sixth film now so in three years we put

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out well have put out six in about

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exactly three years so and the plan is

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kind of the way small town

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monsters itself began was as a book

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proposal and it was it's it's weird cuz

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there's another like full circle thing

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happening with the book proposal thing

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right now where some someone who I had

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originally given that book proposal to

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now wants to publish that book so we're

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probably gonna do that but small town

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monsters begin its life is a book

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proposal and then it became what is

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essentially an independent film series

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but we functioned just I think the way

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we function is much more like a almost

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like an independent television studio

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rather than a film series but the movies

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that we do try to approach it very

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cynically and cinematically it's just

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that we're on this crazy timetable where

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we're releasing two movies a year and

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we're starting to add other things into

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the mix like on the trail of champ and

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stuff like that so I've been I've only

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done this for three years and the way I

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taught myself is through YouTube

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channels and tutorials and reading a lot

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of books and listening to a lot of

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interviews with like my favorite

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directors as a kid and I watched I

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absolutely love to like

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behind-the-scenes documentaries and I

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think so a lot of like the things I do

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know about film direction are rooted in

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watching like the the extras on singing

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in the rain and Casablanca and you know

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movies I love this kid so it's a weird

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it's been a weird trajectory from like

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doing landscaping and tiling floors and

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stuff to like directing documentaries

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and and finding it you know the coolest

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thing is that they found an audience I

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think because you never know if what

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you're doing is ever going to actually

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be seen by anyone you hope it will be

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seen by a few people and those people

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will embrace it but but because of

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things like Amazon and the distribution

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deal we're working on now it's the

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audience just keeps a widening which is

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crazy to be a part of absolutely and I

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think you're at the forefront of

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something that we're seeing a lot lately

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in the film and television Rome is that

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Hollywood is no longer a thing per se I

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mean anyone with a phone or you know

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even the smallest of cameras can go out

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shoot something gorgeous beautiful if if

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they have a vision

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and it can it can really get out there

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you know that the the glory of the

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internet for all its faults and

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disgusting cesspools there's there's

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also a new outlet for artists to really

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get their work out there and I think

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we're very fortunate to have someone

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like you who has this cinematic eye who

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can tell a story doing this for the the

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cryptozoological world and for the the

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overall just esoterica those things that

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a lot of people are afraid to talk about

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they're afraid that the mainstream is

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never gonna take it seriously but then

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boom you've got Mothman of Point

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Pleasant going mainstream being the

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biggest you know documentary on Amazon

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this might seem like just another folk

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tale it begins like so many rural

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legends but unlike stories told the

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children to keep them inside after dark

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[Music]

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right up and had just the state on the

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dark side

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red eyes or anything at the time it got

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to the point where the National Guard

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had to step in and control the amount of

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people that were coming into the TNT

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I mean we was just sitting there we

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didn't know what to do we afraid to move

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and there this to me it was the devil

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Mothman standing there by my bed there

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was a an outbreak of UFO sightings in

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that whole area from Point Pleasant up

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around 35 always almost all the way to

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[Music]

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it's incredible dude the things you've

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done in the past three years and you

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know I could I could fawn over your work

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but let's let's run through it my man

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one of your more recent films it

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featured the voiceover work of Lyle

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Blackburn who you mentioned earlier and

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for our listeners who may not be

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familiar with his work can sort of run

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us through his he's not so brief resume

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I guess and how you got connected with

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him it's funny cuz I got my my

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introduction to Lyle was through his

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beast of Boggy Creek book and I saw I

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read that book with having new knowledge

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really about The Legend of Boggy Creek I

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was just fascinated by the cover art and

446
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I'd heard some good things on some other

447
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shows so so Lyle Blackburn is like this

448
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he they call him like the rock and roll

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Monster Hunter which had bristle at

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things like that but that's how he's

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typically labeled he's like this

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southern rockabilly dude who is into

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cryptozoology and I would I would

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consider into a cryptozoologist author

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television personality musician he's an

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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and he's done tons of stuff he's been

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involved in monsters mysteries in

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America he's working on a science

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Channel show right now and he's he's

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been on at least two episodes of Finding

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Bigfoot that I know of

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she's been on TV and all that kind of

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stuff but I always what I responded to

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with leiyo wasn't the labels or

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necessarily the persona it was the way

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he approached the subject it was

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actually really similar to the way I do

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and we've talked about this since since

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the early days is like it's weirdly

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similar the way he kind of writes about

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cryptids and the way we kind of make

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movies about cryptids are very similar

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the Lyle has an approach that's very

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much just about preserving some some

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once in the history of the stories and

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then putting out there for people to

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kind of you know consume and make up

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their own minds about things for

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themselves rather than trying to prove

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things to people one way or another and

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that's kind of how my entire approach to

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all of this is and I think a lot of it

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is rooted in the fact that Lyle as much

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wants to know the truth for himself as

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he does you know what to try to explain

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or prove anything to anyone else he's

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much more interested in figuring things

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out and kind of learning the stories

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along with us so Lyle and I got hooked

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up because I used to do this radio or

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not radio show but a podcast called SAS

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what which was about Bigfoot and we

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interviewed Lyle very early on in the

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lead-up to our first film manner of a

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monster coming out and even back then

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this is something my wife and I talked

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about recently even back then Lyle asked

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me if I was interested in doing a

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documentary about boggy did the monster

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boggy creek monster and this would have

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been in the summer of 2014 so it was

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before we were even releasing Minerva

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monster and that early on he said he saw

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something in me where it was kind of

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like a combined he sensed that we we

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were connecting on on that same kind of

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level that our approach to the subject

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and that he thought what we were

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was going to be something he wanted to

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be a part of so very early on he was on

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the SDM so he was in the STM fan club I

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guess like he wanted to be in and the

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cool thing about that is since since

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small town Monsters has kind of gotten a

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little bit of a following and things

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like that we've had tons of people come

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along wanting to be involved but Lyle

520
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was there from the beginning before we

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were anything and I don't consider

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myself anything but you know what I mean

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like the brand as the brand starts to

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get a little bit of a name more people

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want to be involved and Miles always

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been a supporter of this of what we're

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doing and that's one of the coolest

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things about being involved with him is

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it's not just that he's a you know

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someone who wants to attach himself for

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something like that it's that he's

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genuinely supportive of what we were

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doing and and always has been and I

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think because of that he's been a little

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more involved than he is in stuff like

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major television shows like he he will

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watch he he watched invasion on Chestnut

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Ridge and offered you know opinions on

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things and he had basically nothing to

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do with that professionally he's not an

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executive producer of it or anything

542
00:22:37,860 --> 00:22:36,220
like that but he wants to see it be the

543
00:22:40,350 --> 00:22:37,870
best movie can be so he's offering his

544
00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:40,360
input on it so and then with Mothman he

545
00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:43,750
completely rewrote not rewrote but he

546
00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:45,960
went in and fixed my narration

547
00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:48,130
drastically because I wrote the

548
00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:49,929
narration for the Mothman employee

549
00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:52,630
pleasant under a very tight time crunch

550
00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:54,130
that movie was edited in about

551
00:22:59,700 --> 00:22:57,220
two-and-a-half months and he took all

552
00:23:01,200 --> 00:22:59,710
the narration and wrote it wrote over it

553
00:23:04,860 --> 00:23:01,210
you know what I had already written and

554
00:23:06,690 --> 00:23:04,870
just made it much much much better so he

555
00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:06,700
got a co-writing credit on that one and

556
00:23:10,350 --> 00:23:08,289
then was Boggy Creek monster I mean he

557
00:23:12,450 --> 00:23:10,360
was so intricately involved in that

558
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,460
production from the very start as many

559
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:13,840
of you may know I'm an author and

560
00:23:19,889 --> 00:23:16,720
historian on a famous southern Sasquatch

561
00:23:21,269 --> 00:23:19,899
case the fat monster this is definitely

562
00:23:23,610 --> 00:23:21,279
one of the most famous southern

563
00:23:25,060 --> 00:23:23,620
Sasquatch cases in her years I've tried

564
00:23:27,490 --> 00:23:25,070
to get to the truth

565
00:23:29,169 --> 00:23:27,500
as I did my research I discovered that

566
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,179
not only were there sightings in the

567
00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:31,039
sixties and seventies that were

568
00:23:35,860 --> 00:23:33,289
traumatized in the movie but sightings

569
00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:35,870
dating back to the early 1900s and also

570
00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:38,809
continued all the way till today so he's

571
00:23:41,769 --> 00:23:40,220
been someone that we've enjoyed working

572
00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:41,779
with and we're gonna continue working

573
00:23:46,389 --> 00:23:44,600
with he's narrating Bray Road beast and

574
00:23:49,149 --> 00:23:46,399
then I'm hoping we'll be able to

575
00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:49,159
actually get him involved on camera

576
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,049
again here pretty soon with some some

577
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:54,080
projects I have I have ideas for we're

578
00:23:57,879 --> 00:23:56,090
always thinking like ten steps ahead

579
00:24:00,580 --> 00:23:57,889
we're we're scheduled out right now

580
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:00,590
through 2020 as far as like movies and

581
00:24:04,690 --> 00:24:02,090
and honestly we're probably we're

582
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:04,700
probably scheduled out beyond that cuz I

583
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:07,370
know I already even mentioned what one

584
00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:09,769
of the first stories and the southern

585
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:11,809
monsters trilogy will be in right now we

586
00:24:16,090 --> 00:24:14,090
just started will have just started on

587
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:16,100
the monsters of the Midwest when we get

588
00:24:20,889 --> 00:24:18,289
to Bray Road beast so so I try to be

589
00:24:23,159 --> 00:24:20,899
working on things well in advance and

590
00:24:25,930 --> 00:24:23,169
and that's how we're able to do this

591
00:24:27,850 --> 00:24:25,940
pretty consistent turnover it's not that

592
00:24:30,639 --> 00:24:27,860
we're rushing to get movies done it's

593
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,649
that I'm researching the movie that I'm

594
00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:32,559
going to be making in like two years

595
00:24:38,379 --> 00:24:35,929
already so right I mean this is

596
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:38,389
filmmaking 101 is oh he's keeping that

597
00:24:43,090 --> 00:24:40,490
ball in the air what comes next

598
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:43,100
so you you have to have something down

599
00:24:46,749 --> 00:24:44,809
the pipeline while you're in production

600
00:24:49,180 --> 00:24:46,759
for the other thing it makes perfect

601
00:24:51,970 --> 00:24:49,190
sense man and what what I think is great

602
00:24:54,340 --> 00:24:51,980
is that you are you know you're kind of

603
00:24:56,529 --> 00:24:54,350
just following these mysteries as

604
00:24:58,629 --> 00:24:56,539
they're still occurring as well I mean

605
00:25:00,879 --> 00:24:58,639
look at what's going on in Chicago right

606
00:25:03,999 --> 00:25:00,889
now where we have a possible Mothman

607
00:25:05,470 --> 00:25:04,009
occurring it's it's crazy these things

608
00:25:08,049 --> 00:25:05,480
are still going on so why there is a

609
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:08,059
very historical aspect to it all and

610
00:25:13,869 --> 00:25:11,210
Lyell respects that and focuses on that

611
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:13,879
you're also bringing it to current day

612
00:25:18,820 --> 00:25:16,490
and for a new audience who may not know

613
00:25:21,610 --> 00:25:18,830
about these things so I think that's

614
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:21,620
very important and yeah you know in

615
00:25:25,869 --> 00:25:23,690
terms of that I wouldn't have you on the

616
00:25:29,710 --> 00:25:25,879
show if we weren't gonna talk about UFOs

617
00:25:31,810 --> 00:25:29,720
so after covering many stories of

618
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:31,820
cryptids you you decided to finally

619
00:25:36,009 --> 00:25:34,010
tackle the UFO question and I was

620
00:25:38,019 --> 00:25:36,019
psyched when you first contacted me and

621
00:25:38,909 --> 00:25:38,029
told me hey man look at what I'm doing

622
00:25:40,529 --> 00:25:38,919
next

623
00:25:43,139 --> 00:25:40,539
there are places in the world whose

624
00:25:43,979 --> 00:25:43,149
mysteries call us to come and see for

625
00:25:47,639 --> 00:25:43,989
ourselves

626
00:25:50,009 --> 00:25:47,649
whatever the human toll might be places

627
00:25:51,899 --> 00:25:50,019
like the Chestnut Ridge

628
00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:51,909
I remember that evening just like was

629
00:25:56,639 --> 00:25:53,830
yesterday it was Thursday evening

630
00:25:59,609 --> 00:25:56,649
December 9th 1965 there was a breaking

631
00:26:02,220 --> 00:25:59,619
news story coming on the radio about

632
00:26:04,529 --> 00:26:02,230
this brilliant fireball thus far object

633
00:26:06,479 --> 00:26:04,539
was seen from the tip of Ontario Tannen

634
00:26:08,580 --> 00:26:06,489
over Michigan Ohio in Pennsylvania I

635
00:26:11,460 --> 00:26:08,590
can't picture it you know in my head you

636
00:26:13,739 --> 00:26:11,470
know the people coming in people keep

637
00:26:16,049 --> 00:26:13,749
him quiet about things and I'll never

638
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:16,059
forget that you know it's something

639
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:18,129
sticks with ya Kecksburg to me seems

640
00:26:21,869 --> 00:26:20,049
like it was almost a catalyst for people

641
00:26:23,999 --> 00:26:21,879
becoming comfortable enough to share

642
00:26:26,099 --> 00:26:24,009
their experiences there's all kinds of

643
00:26:28,379 --> 00:26:26,109
weird phenomena from UFOs strange lights

644
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,389
in the sky cryptid creatures haunted

645
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,159
locations they're just a really

646
00:26:34,139 --> 00:26:32,320
concentrated area right here there's a

647
00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:34,149
lot of weird activity that goes on and

648
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:35,830
there's certain areas where sometimes

649
00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:37,809
you get more activity than others but

650
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:39,940
the one area of course at year after

651
00:26:44,220 --> 00:26:41,769
year we seem to get more than normal

652
00:26:45,629 --> 00:26:44,230
activity his areas along the Chestnut

653
00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:45,639
Ridge and I think we're dealing with

654
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:47,950
something at very strange and unusual

655
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:50,049
and right now beyond our scientific

656
00:26:55,470 --> 00:26:52,690
understanding I was just like a giddy

657
00:26:57,869 --> 00:26:55,480
little kid so you got to tell me how did

658
00:27:01,259 --> 00:26:57,879
the idea of invasion on Chestnut Ridge

659
00:27:04,889 --> 00:27:01,269
come about it's a story that I had

660
00:27:07,259 --> 00:27:04,899
always been aware of because I had heard

661
00:27:10,259 --> 00:27:07,269
so many interviews with Stan Gordon and

662
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:10,269
Stan had always been talking about the

663
00:27:14,489 --> 00:27:11,940
Chestnut Ridge and talking about the

664
00:27:16,919 --> 00:27:14,499
multitude of bizarre you know phenomena

665
00:27:20,190 --> 00:27:16,929
that take a place across the ridge and

666
00:27:22,979 --> 00:27:20,200
and and it's also one of my buddy marks

667
00:27:26,609 --> 00:27:22,989
favorite stories he loves Danny loves

668
00:27:29,340 --> 00:27:26,619
the the Uniontown UFO Bigfoot sighting

669
00:27:31,619 --> 00:27:29,350
story and in Kecksburg and all that kind

670
00:27:34,769 --> 00:27:31,629
of stuff and so so it was something I

671
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:34,779
was always aware of and diving into this

672
00:27:42,479 --> 00:27:37,840
story was something I knew I wanted to

673
00:27:44,369 --> 00:27:42,489
do it's just we had no clue what we were

674
00:27:46,769 --> 00:27:44,379
doing when we were making the movie and

675
00:27:48,629 --> 00:27:46,779
I I say that realizing it's going to

676
00:27:50,999 --> 00:27:48,639
make me sound absolutely unprepared and

677
00:27:52,330 --> 00:27:51,009
terrible but that was we honestly went

678
00:27:55,779 --> 00:27:52,340
into this

679
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:55,789
in pre-production wise up until maybe

680
00:28:00,850 --> 00:27:58,010
like two weeks before the movie was made

681
00:28:04,210 --> 00:28:00,860
this was gonna be a Kecksburg slash

682
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,220
Uniontown UFO Bigfoot story and that's

683
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:05,840
it nothing else so I'm gonna read those

684
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:07,610
two things that they were gonna connect

685
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:09,890
somehow I was a little fuzzy on how if

686
00:28:14,590 --> 00:28:12,559
you watch like the Kickstarter video or

687
00:28:16,450 --> 00:28:14,600
listen to me talk on any early

688
00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:16,460
interviews it's pretty obvious I had no

689
00:28:22,539 --> 00:28:19,340
idea no idea what I was doing with this

690
00:28:24,940 --> 00:28:22,549
and but then as you know as we started

691
00:28:26,370 --> 00:28:24,950
to get closer to the the shoot date and

692
00:28:28,899 --> 00:28:26,380
I started to put together these

693
00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:28,909
interviews that started to become kind

694
00:28:33,159 --> 00:28:30,830
of a little more clear to me this isn't

695
00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:33,169
a story about UFOs and it's not a story

696
00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:35,000
about Bigfoot it's a it's a story about

697
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:37,070
this place where really weird things

698
00:28:41,139 --> 00:28:39,289
happen so so more than anything that's

699
00:28:43,539 --> 00:28:41,149
that's what I knew I wanted to do was

700
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:43,549
talk about this place that is you know

701
00:28:48,430 --> 00:28:46,399
the home of UFOs and Bigfoots and

702
00:28:50,289 --> 00:28:48,440
Thunderbirds and all that kind of stuff

703
00:28:53,289 --> 00:28:50,299
in it and the cool thing is like I'm I'm

704
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:53,299
actually I think I was much more into

705
00:28:58,180 --> 00:28:56,090
UFOs along before I was into Bigfoot in

706
00:28:59,620 --> 00:28:58,190
cryptids and stuff like that it's just

707
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,630
that you know when we started putting

708
00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:01,279
together small town monsters we jumped

709
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:03,950
first into this Bigfoot subject and now

710
00:29:07,539 --> 00:29:05,809
we're getting to to move out and branch

711
00:29:10,060 --> 00:29:07,549
out a little bit and we're touching on

712
00:29:11,470 --> 00:29:10,070
UFOs that were in you know Mothman and

713
00:29:14,139 --> 00:29:11,480
they're in this and they're gonna be in

714
00:29:16,269 --> 00:29:14,149
flatwoods so it's something I've always

715
00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:16,279
wanted to tackle and get into so this

716
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,720
was kind of like a dream for me because

717
00:29:21,730 --> 00:29:19,520
we could get into Kecksburg which is one

718
00:29:23,649 --> 00:29:21,740
of my favorite stories it's funny cuz

719
00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:23,659
like little pieces of the Chestnut Ridge

720
00:29:27,850 --> 00:29:26,360
story I'm actually very familiar with

721
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:27,860
but then there's all these other little

722
00:29:32,649 --> 00:29:30,289
pieces to the side that I had no idea

723
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:32,659
about coming into it and it's it's one

724
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:34,850
of those stories where if you really

725
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:36,770
look at like Stan's work Stan Gordon's

726
00:29:43,690 --> 00:29:39,770
work it we we don't even scratch the

727
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:43,700
surface of the really bizarre stuff that

728
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:45,919
goes on along the Chestnut Ridge the the

729
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,809
Kecksburg story and the Uniontown

730
00:29:51,730 --> 00:29:50,000
Bigfoot UFO flap and all that kind of

731
00:29:56,169 --> 00:29:51,740
stuff that's like where that that's the

732
00:29:58,419 --> 00:29:56,179
mundane that's like a general audience

733
00:30:01,210 --> 00:29:58,429
can consume some of the weirder stuff

734
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:01,220
that is in his book so we never would

735
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:02,570
have dreamed about putting against movie

736
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:03,720
because it's so bizarre

737
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:05,940
worried about like alienating people but

738
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:09,650
I loved getting to do a story that was

739
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:13,289
that had so many so many disparate kind

740
00:30:18,529 --> 00:30:15,450
of threads to it that I happen to love

741
00:30:20,029 --> 00:30:18,539
so you get UFOs and pigs let's dog men

742
00:30:21,890 --> 00:30:20,039
and all that stuff that we haven't been

743
00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:21,900
able to dive into in our other films

744
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:24,059
right and what's really interesting is

745
00:30:28,669 --> 00:30:26,340
that we have sort of these condensed

746
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:28,679
areas around the world where all of this

747
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:31,080
strange stuff seems to be happening you

748
00:30:36,830 --> 00:30:33,929
know I recently gave a talk in Nova

749
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,840
Scotia about this very topic of the

750
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:39,120
triangles throughout the world you know

751
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:41,700
we all know when I saw when I saw when I

752
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:43,650
saw that you were doing that talk I was

753
00:30:47,779 --> 00:30:46,289
like I cannot wait to hear what he

754
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:47,789
thinks of the movie because I was like

755
00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:49,770
yeah I thought it was so perfectly

756
00:30:54,140 --> 00:30:52,440
suited to you it was perfect and then

757
00:30:54,980 --> 00:30:54,150
you know after I gave the talk I'm like

758
00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:54,990
I'm an idiot

759
00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:57,510
I didn't even cover Chestnut Ridge but

760
00:31:01,250 --> 00:30:59,340
you know that being said I think you've

761
00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:01,260
got that covered in my man but yeah just

762
00:31:05,299 --> 00:31:03,510
these areas where everything you can

763
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:05,309
possibly think of is happening people go

764
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:07,530
missing their sightings of this their

765
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:10,260
settings of that is it a ley line is it

766
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:13,710
connected to you know megaliths it could

767
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:15,690
be a plethora of things but what you've

768
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,970
done with Chestnut Ridge as you have

769
00:31:21,770 --> 00:31:20,159
made it a character and that's very

770
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:21,780
clear from the beginning of the film

771
00:31:26,659 --> 00:31:23,640
where you go through the history of the

772
00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:26,669
area and what's you know how the the

773
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:29,070
towns around Chestnut Ridge were founded

774
00:31:33,980 --> 00:31:31,890
you really get a sense of the people who

775
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:33,990
live in these areas throughout all your

776
00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:36,690
films when you speak to witnesses you

777
00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:39,030
get this idea of who these people are

778
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:41,460
what they've experienced and what they

779
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:43,500
think it could be which i think is very

780
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:46,530
important now in terms of that now catch

781
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:49,289
burn this is an extremely well known

782
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:51,480
case to those who know about UFOs but

783
00:31:55,940 --> 00:31:53,880
for some of our listeners who may not be

784
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,950
familiar with this incident could you

785
00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:57,840
sort of give us a rundown of what the

786
00:32:01,970 --> 00:32:00,539
Kecksburg UFO incident is yeah and

787
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:01,980
you're gonna have to forgive me because

788
00:32:06,020 --> 00:32:04,169
I can already tell in a blank on the

789
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:06,030
date of the Kecksburg crash because oh

790
00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:07,500
it's 65 isn't it

791
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:09,960
this is the one downside to making so

792
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:12,840
many movies in such a short span of time

793
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:15,510
is like my brain is actually firmly in

794
00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:16,890
flatwoods right now some

795
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:18,750
I'm working on the movie but I cannot

796
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:20,310
remember the exact date but I know it's

797
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:23,490
1965 there's a strange fireball scene in

798
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:27,360
the sky over Ontario and down into Ohio

799
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:31,290
and Pennsylvania in over Michigan as

800
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:33,570
well they see this fireball in the sky

801
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,960
and it apparently comes to rest and by

802
00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:38,820
comes to rest I mean crash it crashes

803
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:43,500
into a wooded Glen right outside of this

804
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:44,970
tiny village called Kecksburg

805
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:49,140
Pennsylvania and what came down is up

806
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:51,240
for debate because there's there's a lot

807
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:54,090
of arguments over what people saw that

808
00:33:00,050 --> 00:32:56,730
night some claim they saw this acorn

809
00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:00,060
shaped object that that actually seemed

810
00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:03,030
to fall in a controlled sort of pattern

811
00:33:09,170 --> 00:33:05,580
to the ground rather than falling like

812
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:09,180
in like an asteroid or meteor which is

813
00:33:13,610 --> 00:33:10,650
what a lot of people tend to think it

814
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:13,620
was or even a satellite which is the

815
00:33:19,550 --> 00:33:16,380
other prevailing kind of theory but

816
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,560
after it crashes to the ground some of

817
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:21,360
the locals coming they gather on the

818
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:24,050
hill or on the road near the hill and

819
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:27,990
they notice that there are military

820
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:30,360
starting to descend on the area and

821
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:32,370
supposedly the military come that come

822
00:33:40,550 --> 00:33:36,090
in they take the object out on a tarp

823
00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:40,560
and on a tarped flatbed truck and drive

824
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:43,950
it through town and the story kind of

825
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:45,510
ends there which is interesting because

826
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:48,990
it doesn't have quite the intensity of

827
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:50,820
something like Roswell but I think I

828
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:54,240
think what's cool about Kecksburg is the

829
00:33:59,180 --> 00:33:56,610
longer we're aware of it and no longer

830
00:34:00,770 --> 00:33:59,190
guys like Stan Gordon have investigated

831
00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:00,780
it there's all these little threads that

832
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:03,000
they're pulling that people you know I

833
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:04,260
know over time we're starting to find

834
00:34:07,790 --> 00:34:05,940
all these different witnesses and I

835
00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:07,800
guess it's like Roswell in that way but

836
00:34:11,210 --> 00:34:09,270
you're you're hearing all these cool

837
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:11,220
little side stories there was a there

838
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:14,760
was a local radio announcer who who

839
00:34:17,659 --> 00:34:16,649
became mildly obsessed with the story

840
00:34:19,870 --> 00:34:17,669
and actually put together this

841
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:19,880
documentary he was gonna put out and

842
00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:22,649
supposedly he was like strong-armed by

843
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:25,350
possible men and black into completely

844
00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:29,010
altering the documentary and and years

845
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:30,870
later he was strong

846
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:33,690
and killed by a car while visiting

847
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:36,240
California and he supposedly had like

848
00:34:41,090 --> 00:34:38,490
crossed this road which made no sense

849
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:41,100
but supposedly he attempt across this

850
00:34:44,870 --> 00:34:43,020
very busy road and had been struck and

851
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:44,880
killed by car very mysterious

852
00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:47,010
and his his ex-wife was convinced it was

853
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:49,320
some sort of shady dealings that had you

854
00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:50,910
know killed him but there's there's a

855
00:34:54,140 --> 00:34:52,470
lot of little like stories like that and

856
00:34:56,060 --> 00:34:54,150
what's really fascinating is over the

857
00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:56,070
years the town actually kind of turned

858
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,750
against each other over this whole thing

859
00:35:02,330 --> 00:34:59,580
no scam like like there were all these

860
00:35:04,610 --> 00:35:02,340
little I found this out this past summer

861
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,620
when I interviewed one of the original

862
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:07,440
witnesses about the crash and he told me

863
00:35:10,460 --> 00:35:08,520
that there were people in the town who

864
00:35:12,350 --> 00:35:10,470
hated other people in the town because

865
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:12,360
those people claimed they had seen the

866
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:14,820
object and then other people in town

867
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:16,980
claimed there was no object it was none

868
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:19,260
of this had happened period so it almost

869
00:35:23,060 --> 00:35:21,180
became a real bone of contention in

870
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:23,070
Kecksburg that this had even happened

871
00:35:27,830 --> 00:35:25,110
today they do like a little you know

872
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:27,840
Kecksburg UFO festival and the the

873
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:30,660
Kecksburg space acorn is like the

874
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:33,330
centerpiece in town so it's it's kind of

875
00:35:37,850 --> 00:35:35,310
embraced by it today but apparently in

876
00:35:40,850 --> 00:35:37,860
the especially in the like 70s and 80s

877
00:35:42,980 --> 00:35:40,860
it was a real gray area for a lot of

878
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:42,990
people in that in that town now we're

879
00:35:46,610 --> 00:35:45,330
gonna delve really deeply or not really

880
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:46,620
deeply but we're gonna delve a little

881
00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:49,290
more deeply into the crash than we did

882
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:52,140
in invasion on Chestnut Ridge when I put

883
00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:53,730
out the Case Files episodes about it

884
00:35:57,020 --> 00:35:55,080
because we did the cool thing about the

885
00:36:00,020 --> 00:35:57,030
Case Files web series that we're putting

886
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:00,030
out in November is I'm actually starting

887
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:04,110
to kind of interview some witnesses and

888
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,090
things like that who aren't included in

889
00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:07,920
the original film so I actually went

890
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:10,830
back and interviewed Ron Struble who was

891
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:12,930
one of the original witnesses so even

892
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:15,390
though he's not in invasion on Chestnut

893
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:17,460
Ridge I decided I did want to do a

894
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,250
deeper dive into Kecksburg than we had

895
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:22,320
managed in film so we're gonna have you

896
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:23,850
know stand kind of walking us through

897
00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:26,250
all the incidents and a lot more of

898
00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:28,380
John's interview and stuff like that so

899
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:30,990
if you're if you're a Kecksburg fan and

900
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:33,060
you're annoyed that our movie doesn't

901
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:35,940
spend too much time on Kecksburg we will

902
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:38,970
rectify that see that's awesome man and

903
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:40,980
I mean you know Erik Altman the

904
00:36:44,059 --> 00:36:42,780
paranormal investigator in your film he

905
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:44,069
even mentions that cats

906
00:36:48,499 --> 00:36:46,650
burg was only a catalyst you know for

907
00:36:50,209 --> 00:36:48,509
for people to come forward with their

908
00:36:52,099 --> 00:36:50,219
own experiences whether it was a UFO

909
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:52,109
sighting cryptid setting or you know

910
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,930
something completely paranormal and you

911
00:36:59,059 --> 00:36:56,400
know and even in the film he mentions

912
00:37:01,039 --> 00:36:59,069
that the media was now more open to

913
00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:01,049
covering this stories than ever before

914
00:37:06,499 --> 00:37:03,150
so my next question for you would be

915
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:06,509
what was one story you came across that

916
00:37:12,229 --> 00:37:08,579
really stood out that you cover in the

917
00:37:14,689 --> 00:37:12,239
documentary yeah the the I mean the the

918
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:14,699
Union town Bigfoot story is a story I

919
00:37:18,709 --> 00:37:17,130
always talk about it's like that one of

920
00:37:20,329 --> 00:37:18,719
the key pieces in the film and

921
00:37:22,219 --> 00:37:20,339
essentially the centerpiece of the film

922
00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:22,229
it's the story about this strange light

923
00:37:25,729 --> 00:37:23,940
over this farmer's field one night

924
00:37:28,729 --> 00:37:25,739
there's a local man named George

925
00:37:30,229 --> 00:37:28,739
kowalczyk saw the light went up to

926
00:37:31,969 --> 00:37:30,239
investigate and ended up encountering

927
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:31,979
basically these two bigfoot-like

928
00:37:37,999 --> 00:37:34,920
creatures who stopped a bullet with

929
00:37:40,279 --> 00:37:38,009
their hand and and this it's a really

930
00:37:43,099 --> 00:37:40,289
bizarre story and that should be the

931
00:37:45,769 --> 00:37:43,109
story that really captured my attention

932
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:45,779
but it ended up being this guy named

933
00:37:50,329 --> 00:37:47,609
Barry Clark Barry told us this story

934
00:37:52,699 --> 00:37:50,339
about the an incident that happened to

935
00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:52,709
him and basically he'd been

936
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,619
investigating this a series of sightings

937
00:38:00,170 --> 00:37:57,359
and encounters that were taking place at

938
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,180
this place called the Bell farm Inn in

939
00:38:06,349 --> 00:38:03,119
chestnut on the Chestnut Ridge and Barry

940
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:06,359
had been getting calls about various

941
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:09,089
things from Bigfoot sighting strange

942
00:38:13,939 --> 00:38:10,890
lights in the sky he'd spent a lot of

943
00:38:17,329 --> 00:38:13,949
time at Bell farm which I don't think we

944
00:38:19,339 --> 00:38:17,339
really got into in our film and maybe I

945
00:38:20,839 --> 00:38:19,349
can do a whole case files episode about

946
00:38:23,779 --> 00:38:20,849
Bell farm at some point because we had

947
00:38:26,059 --> 00:38:23,789
other stories from Bell farm there were

948
00:38:28,699 --> 00:38:26,069
strange like really bizarre things going

949
00:38:30,709 --> 00:38:28,709
on there black cats and and Bigfoot's

950
00:38:33,620 --> 00:38:30,719
and lights in the sky and all that stuff

951
00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:33,630
but one night he he got a call that

952
00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:36,449
there was a really strange light in the

953
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:39,180
sky and he'd been told for weeks that

954
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:41,849
that at 10 o'clock each night if if you

955
00:38:46,999 --> 00:38:44,640
looked up in this one spot in the sky

956
00:38:49,459 --> 00:38:47,009
this light would just turn on at 10

957
00:38:51,769 --> 00:38:49,469
o'clock on the dot every night so he

958
00:38:53,420 --> 00:38:51,779
gets call one night and he goes out to

959
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:53,430
Belle farm and he's sitting there and

960
00:38:57,309 --> 00:38:55,529
and with with the landowner and they're

961
00:38:59,410 --> 00:38:57,319
watching the sky right where this

962
00:39:01,329 --> 00:38:59,420
it's gonna go on and the landowners like

963
00:39:03,579 --> 00:39:01,339
alright 10 o'clock lights gonna go on

964
00:39:04,989 --> 00:39:03,589
sure enough Sooners Sooners are sitting

965
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:04,999
there and looking at the sky the light

966
00:39:11,380 --> 00:39:07,729
goes on and it's a it's a really bright

967
00:39:14,109 --> 00:39:11,390
silver light and there there's they sit

968
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:14,119
there watching it for Mamu V it seems

969
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,890
the way we tell the story in the movie

970
00:39:18,999 --> 00:39:17,599
it seems like it passes really quickly

971
00:39:21,969 --> 00:39:19,009
but it didn't I think they watched the

972
00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:21,979
light for like an hour yeah and it's

973
00:39:25,930 --> 00:39:23,390
just sitting there and it's you know

974
00:39:28,029 --> 00:39:25,940
it's getting brighter and then less

975
00:39:30,309 --> 00:39:28,039
bright and then brighter and then it

976
00:39:33,219 --> 00:39:30,319
starts turning this really weird shade

977
00:39:36,009 --> 00:39:33,229
of like blood-red is how he said it

978
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:36,019
he said it turned blood-red and when it

979
00:39:41,019 --> 00:39:38,089
turned blood-red all these little silver

980
00:39:43,809 --> 00:39:41,029
lights appear in the sky around the

981
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,819
blood-red light and they go to it the

982
00:39:49,390 --> 00:39:46,160
blood-red light like bees going to a

983
00:39:51,189 --> 00:39:49,400
beehive almost like the way he thinks of

984
00:39:52,689 --> 00:39:51,199
it as maybe it was like a mother ship

985
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:52,699
and these were smaller ships or

986
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:55,249
something like that you know so they're

987
00:39:58,900 --> 00:39:57,410
watching that happen and then they

988
00:40:01,029 --> 00:39:58,910
noticed that the lights getting brighter

989
00:40:03,219 --> 00:40:01,039
and they realized this this thing's

990
00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:03,229
coming down toward them so they they

991
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:05,390
panic and for whatever reason he told us

992
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,249
that basically just like an overriding

993
00:40:12,549 --> 00:40:09,440
sense of fear took over them and they

994
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:12,559
took off and got out of there but a few

995
00:40:17,439 --> 00:40:15,410
weeks pass and he starts having like

996
00:40:20,380 --> 00:40:17,449
really bizarre incidents happen to him

997
00:40:22,059 --> 00:40:20,390
he's driving one night and he basically

998
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:22,069
drives this stretch of road that should

999
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:23,569
have taken him about ten minutes and

1000
00:40:29,499 --> 00:40:27,890
hours ended up passing and things like

1001
00:40:31,449 --> 00:40:29,509
that you know like there's just really

1002
00:40:33,939 --> 00:40:31,459
really bizarre like lost time stuff

1003
00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:33,949
starts happening to him but but things

1004
00:40:37,779 --> 00:40:36,440
get real weird when his his grandson who

1005
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:37,789
at the time was only eight years old

1006
00:40:42,759 --> 00:40:40,400
tells him that there's there's men

1007
00:40:44,829 --> 00:40:42,769
coming through a hole in his ceiling to

1008
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:44,839
visit him this in itself would have been

1009
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:46,729
you know it's unnerving obviously

1010
00:40:49,569 --> 00:40:48,170
there's something creepy about him and

1011
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:49,579
telling you things like that in general

1012
00:40:54,549 --> 00:40:51,890
but like this this was super weird

1013
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:54,559
because he was seeing things in his

1014
00:40:59,920 --> 00:40:57,680
house and you know like he kept thinking

1015
00:41:02,559 --> 00:40:59,930
he was seeing other people and stuff

1016
00:41:04,479 --> 00:41:02,569
moving through his house and so he

1017
00:41:06,969 --> 00:41:04,489
started getting really unnerved and

1018
00:41:09,189 --> 00:41:06,979
ended up completely quitting research

1019
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:09,199
into the stuff entirely like walked away

1020
00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:10,680
from it he had

1021
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:13,980
baskets full of audio taped interviews

1022
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:16,800
and witness sketches and sketches he had

1023
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:19,170
done and stuff he files he'd written he

1024
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:21,750
was extremely thorough and he either

1025
00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:24,060
burned it all or gave it to Stan I think

1026
00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:25,830
he burned it all honestly I think that I

1027
00:41:30,020 --> 00:41:28,200
think what he told us it completely got

1028
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:30,030
out of it because he was getting so

1029
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:33,000
unnerved and there's unfortunately the

1030
00:41:38,780 --> 00:41:36,750
scariest thing he told us about I can't

1031
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:38,790
repeat because he had us turn the

1032
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:40,530
cameras off but he actually had us turn

1033
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:42,420
the cameras off during the middle of the

1034
00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:44,490
interview and told us the story and it's

1035
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:46,680
one of the scariest kind of I can deal

1036
00:41:49,570 --> 00:41:47,880
with a lot of this stuff you know

1037
00:41:51,860 --> 00:41:49,580
Bigfoot stuff doesn't scare me at all

1038
00:41:53,570 --> 00:41:51,870
Mothman stuff didn't really scare me but

1039
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:53,580
when you get into like alien abductions

1040
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:55,410
and stuff like that I get super creeped

1041
00:42:00,920 --> 00:41:58,380
out and he had this story about

1042
00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:00,930
something physical that was done to him

1043
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:04,500
that really sent shivers down my spine I

1044
00:42:08,660 --> 00:42:06,450
mean it was it was extremely unnerving

1045
00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:08,670
to hear him tell this he's really

1046
00:42:13,070 --> 00:42:11,550
affected by this today to the point

1047
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:13,080
where when he tells the story it's

1048
00:42:17,090 --> 00:42:14,910
almost like it's almost like he shifts

1049
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:17,100
into this like robotic kind of you know

1050
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:19,650
like he kind of just he doesn't put any

1051
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:21,240
emotion in what he's saying necessarily

1052
00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:24,450
but when he was getting ready to leave I

1053
00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:26,520
actually walked him out to his cars he

1054
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:27,900
was you know getting really even I'm

1055
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:29,310
like uh thanks you know thanks so much

1056
00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:31,290
for taking the time and for being

1057
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:32,790
willing to tell us all this and he turns

1058
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,290
around he looks at me and he goes do you

1059
00:42:38,660 --> 00:42:36,720
know what happened to me like asking me

1060
00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:38,670
if I had any answers like you know how

1061
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:42,180
you know I I can only imagine you know

1062
00:42:45,740 --> 00:42:43,890
that the weight put on your shoulders at

1063
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:45,750
that point yeah I mean and I'm sure this

1064
00:42:50,060 --> 00:42:48,030
happens time and time again where when

1065
00:42:51,980 --> 00:42:50,070
you know in terms of like me

1066
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:51,990
interviewing people for a book about

1067
00:42:57,740 --> 00:42:54,960
that very topic they do you know

1068
00:42:59,780 --> 00:42:57,750
sometimes that that machine like you

1069
00:43:01,700 --> 00:42:59,790
know physiological thing happens where

1070
00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:01,710
they kind of shut down maybe it's a

1071
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:04,320
coping mechanism just to get this story

1072
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:07,020
out to you or it's the complete opposite

1073
00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:09,330
they're like crying their limbs are

1074
00:43:13,070 --> 00:43:10,950
flying all over the place it really

1075
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:13,080
depends on the person and what they

1076
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:14,460
believe happened to them but for

1077
00:43:20,090 --> 00:43:17,130
something like that where he's asking

1078
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:20,100
you for answers that's I can't even

1079
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:21,900
imagine what that feels like man and

1080
00:43:27,010 --> 00:43:24,650
I've dealt with that on a micro-level

1081
00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:27,020
at some point but you know the fact that

1082
00:43:32,620 --> 00:43:28,630
the film is going to be out there for

1083
00:43:34,060 --> 00:43:32,630
for anyone to consume I doubt that's

1084
00:43:36,430 --> 00:43:34,070
going to be the last time someone comes

1085
00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:36,440
to you looking for answers yeah it's

1086
00:43:39,940 --> 00:43:38,420
scary it was a whole new is a whole new

1087
00:43:41,830 --> 00:43:39,950
level for us and the weirdest thing

1088
00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:41,840
about that is the movie I mean you

1089
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:43,430
you've seen the movie the movies kind of

1090
00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:45,290
a it's a bit of a departure for us

1091
00:43:49,450 --> 00:43:46,670
because I almost feel like it's a fun

1092
00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:49,460
kind of roller coaster ride of like

1093
00:43:54,660 --> 00:43:51,830
scary stories right but then in the

1094
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:54,670
middle of it there's this guy who's very

1095
00:43:59,890 --> 00:43:57,680
deeply personally affected by it who's

1096
00:44:03,240 --> 00:43:59,900
whose life was turned upside down by and

1097
00:44:06,190 --> 00:44:03,250
and still to this day what the

1098
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:06,200
incredibly unnerving story he told us

1099
00:44:11,410 --> 00:44:08,570
happened in 2011 so this is fairly

1100
00:44:13,060 --> 00:44:11,420
recently this isn't a 1970 story so

1101
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:13,070
things are still happening to this guy

1102
00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:14,690
and he wants out of it but what's really

1103
00:44:19,390 --> 00:44:17,870
interesting as well as is toward the end

1104
00:44:21,310 --> 00:44:19,400
of the film he starts talking about how

1105
00:44:24,070 --> 00:44:21,320
he might you know he's considered having

1106
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,080
regression therapy and and and that kind

1107
00:44:27,850 --> 00:44:25,520
of stuff and trying to figure out what

1108
00:44:29,050 --> 00:44:27,860
did happen during the lost time incident

1109
00:44:30,970 --> 00:44:29,060
and all that kind of stuff but what's

1110
00:44:33,730 --> 00:44:30,980
really intriguing to me is he's also

1111
00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:33,740
battling with his own urges to get back

1112
00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:38,780
into research he he kind of wants to he

1113
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:41,630
wants to put his foot back in the water

1114
00:44:46,780 --> 00:44:44,810
again and he's talked to Stan and he

1115
00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:46,790
said this on camera it's not it's not in

1116
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:48,470
the film but he did say this to us that

1117
00:44:52,810 --> 00:44:50,570
he's he's talked to Stan about going

1118
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:52,820
back out and doing investigations again

1119
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:54,650
because he's like he's been away from it

1120
00:44:57,790 --> 00:44:56,210
for so long and there's you can tell

1121
00:45:01,480 --> 00:44:57,800
there's a part of him that just loves

1122
00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:01,490
trying to figure out these mysteries and

1123
00:45:05,230 --> 00:45:03,380
that at the heart of it that's what the

1124
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:05,240
movies about and I don't know if if

1125
00:45:08,890 --> 00:45:06,530
people have picked up on that but

1126
00:45:11,860 --> 00:45:08,900
there's there really aren't any just

1127
00:45:13,690 --> 00:45:11,870
eyewitnesses in this movie it which is

1128
00:45:15,550 --> 00:45:13,700
again a departure from our other movies

1129
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:15,560
other than the audio taped interview

1130
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:18,290
with George kowalczyk all the people in

1131
00:45:23,290 --> 00:45:20,570
this movie well the only other exception

1132
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,300
would be John the the Kecksburg witness

1133
00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:26,000
but everyone else is a researcher or an

1134
00:45:31,180 --> 00:45:28,190
investigator there's someone who still

1135
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:31,190
who actively goes out and tries to you

1136
00:45:35,710 --> 00:45:33,890
know it investigates the sightings and

1137
00:45:38,350 --> 00:45:35,720
and all that kind of stuff they're not

1138
00:45:40,810 --> 00:45:38,360
necessarily out there you know

1139
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,820
to be abducted and stuff so so I find it

1140
00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:42,560
really fascinating that we went that

1141
00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:44,150
route with this movie as well where

1142
00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:45,260
these are all people who have had

1143
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:47,270
encounters of their own but there are

1144
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:49,310
also people who are actively

1145
00:45:54,670 --> 00:45:52,970
investigating cases for themselves so I

1146
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:54,680
think at the at the end of it it's it's

1147
00:45:58,900 --> 00:45:56,690
almost a movie about people struggling

1148
00:46:00,820 --> 00:45:58,910
trying to find the truth about what's

1149
00:46:02,140 --> 00:46:00,830
going on on the ridge and which is also

1150
00:46:03,850 --> 00:46:02,150
kind of funny because at the end of the

1151
00:46:05,650 --> 00:46:03,860
movie we basically say no one knows

1152
00:46:07,420 --> 00:46:05,660
you're not more than likely you're never

1153
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:07,430
gonna know or that there's one single

1154
00:46:12,340 --> 00:46:09,310
source for everything that's going on

1155
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:12,350
that almost seems you know ludicrous to

1156
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:14,510
think that it would be one thing it

1157
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:16,610
could be many things these these

1158
00:46:20,860 --> 00:46:18,650
phenomena stretch many different towns

1159
00:46:23,380 --> 00:46:20,870
and States on the chestnut Ridge so I

1160
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:23,390
can only imagine if anyone's looking for

1161
00:46:28,750 --> 00:46:25,490
answers in films like yours I would

1162
00:46:30,670 --> 00:46:28,760
caution them that you bring forward the

1163
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,680
stories it's up for the audience to

1164
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:32,480
decide what they think might be going on

1165
00:46:35,950 --> 00:46:34,250
and you know one of the first things I

1166
00:46:38,140 --> 00:46:35,960
learned when I became a researcher from

1167
00:46:40,750 --> 00:46:38,150
a mentor of mine Peter Robbins was he

1168
00:46:43,690 --> 00:46:40,760
said Ryan be prepared to be let down

1169
00:46:45,370 --> 00:46:43,700
time and time again you're not going to

1170
00:46:47,110 --> 00:46:45,380
find answers you're only gonna have more

1171
00:46:47,740 --> 00:46:47,120
questions and that's what keeps me going

1172
00:46:49,810 --> 00:46:47,750
man

1173
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:49,820
so for all these people who had

1174
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:52,490
first-hand experiences that then became

1175
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:55,190
researchers it's a natural reaction you

1176
00:46:59,410 --> 00:46:56,810
see something it changes your entire

1177
00:47:01,810 --> 00:46:59,420
perception of reality and you want to

1178
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:01,820
know more and as depressing as it is you

1179
00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:03,650
may never get those answers but you're

1180
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:05,660
gonna keep searching and I can't think

1181
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:07,220
of something more exciting terrifying

1182
00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:10,970
and I guess human to do that curiosity

1183
00:47:14,050 --> 00:47:12,350
and that really comes through in the

1184
00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:14,060
film I think with the people you decided

1185
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:16,760
to interview so that's amazing in terms

1186
00:47:22,090 --> 00:47:19,370
of this film in specific Seth what was

1187
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:22,100
the most interesting thing besides that

1188
00:47:25,570 --> 00:47:24,050
incredible story from Barrie what's the

1189
00:47:27,610 --> 00:47:25,580
most interesting thing that happened

1190
00:47:29,740 --> 00:47:27,620
during the filming of the documentary

1191
00:47:32,590 --> 00:47:29,750
anything really come to mind during the

1192
00:47:35,110 --> 00:47:32,600
actual filming of it I think it was it's

1193
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:35,120
probably just that the the process of

1194
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:37,850
actually working with Stan and Eric in

1195
00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:39,530
particular those two guys I think

1196
00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:41,870
because like that Stan's been there

1197
00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:45,140
first since 1959 so take that in like

1198
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:47,780
this guy's been doing this since 1959

1199
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:52,010
and his encyclopedic knowledge of

1200
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:54,770
counter cases along the ridge is really

1201
00:48:01,180 --> 00:47:58,400
verging on disturbing at times like like

1202
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:01,190
your like his interview his interview

1203
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:04,130
went three hours and during that time he

1204
00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:06,560
he could have talked another five hours

1205
00:48:11,650 --> 00:48:09,470
and not even broken a sweat like he was

1206
00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:11,660
just you could get him to recall he

1207
00:48:15,340 --> 00:48:13,160
would recall things at a moment's notice

1208
00:48:17,050 --> 00:48:15,350
and dive off down some rabbit trail and

1209
00:48:20,020 --> 00:48:17,060
just start talking about you know things

1210
00:48:22,180 --> 00:48:20,030
that were tangentially connected to what

1211
00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:22,190
we were previously talking about but

1212
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,230
it's it's really something to take that

1213
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:26,240
in because to us it kind of opens your

1214
00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:27,680
eyes to the fact that this isn't just

1215
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:30,590
like a hook like the hook of the movie

1216
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:32,510
isn't the fact that oh hey you know like

1217
00:48:35,350 --> 00:48:33,890
here's the story we want to tell about

1218
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:35,360
the ridge how are we gonna tie it all

1219
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:36,650
together oh let's just say there's a

1220
00:48:40,420 --> 00:48:37,970
whole bunch of weird crap there is

1221
00:48:42,370 --> 00:48:40,430
legitimately sighting reports and

1222
00:48:45,370 --> 00:48:42,380
strange occurrences happening on the

1223
00:48:48,310 --> 00:48:45,380
ridge on a daily basis and things are

1224
00:48:50,170 --> 00:48:48,320
being cut out of our movie that could

1225
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:50,180
have been the focus of an entire movie I

1226
00:48:57,130 --> 00:48:53,090
cut out this whole side plot where

1227
00:48:58,930 --> 00:48:57,140
Dwayne pin Toph had talked about Dwayne

1228
00:49:00,250 --> 00:48:58,940
is the guy who saw the herb in the woods

1229
00:49:01,810 --> 00:49:00,260
the weird light in the woods that went

1230
00:49:03,550 --> 00:49:01,820
into the portal and the you know like

1231
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:03,560
the window in the sky or whatever that

1232
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:05,510
opened up Dwayne told me this whole side

1233
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:08,090
story about people encountering what

1234
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,760
they claim to be Russian military

1235
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,280
operatives working on the ridge like the

1236
00:49:19,630 --> 00:49:15,920
Russian military's conducting secret

1237
00:49:21,220 --> 00:49:19,640
side side side test Sun on the ridge

1238
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,230
somewhere yeah like this is like and

1239
00:49:24,370 --> 00:49:22,880
apparently this is something that a lot

1240
00:49:26,170 --> 00:49:24,380
of people have reported like I

1241
00:49:27,070 --> 00:49:26,180
encountered Russian soldiers on the

1242
00:49:29,620 --> 00:49:27,080
chestnut Ridge

1243
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:29,630
so I I really think it's just learning

1244
00:49:35,290 --> 00:49:32,110
about the ridge and the amount of

1245
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:35,300
bizarre activity that does take place

1246
00:49:39,610 --> 00:49:38,090
there and next of that the the most

1247
00:49:41,290 --> 00:49:39,620
interesting thing that happened to us

1248
00:49:44,140 --> 00:49:41,300
and probably the most hilarious to me

1249
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:44,150
was two of my crew members Zack and

1250
00:49:50,530 --> 00:49:47,510
Jason were convinced that the old

1251
00:49:54,910 --> 00:49:50,540
farmhouse we rented was haunted by this

1252
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:54,920
ghost - named Brad and Brad suppose so

1253
00:49:59,050 --> 00:49:57,170
so like the land owner told us on our

1254
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,060
very first night as soon as we got there

1255
00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:02,000
that that groundskeeper had died down

1256
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:03,590
the street I was like a heart attack at

1257
00:50:07,150 --> 00:50:04,910
the age of like 41

1258
00:50:09,069 --> 00:50:07,160
and the guy the guy was like you know he

1259
00:50:10,539 --> 00:50:09,079
doesn't haunt this place or anything but

1260
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,549
the basement light does turn on

1261
00:50:15,370 --> 00:50:12,079
occasionally it was just really weird

1262
00:50:18,730 --> 00:50:15,380
and so Zack and Jason became convinced

1263
00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:18,740
that Brad was terrorizing us the entire

1264
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,900
time we were there it's it's kind of you

1265
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,880
can get it a little bit of a taste of it

1266
00:50:26,349 --> 00:50:24,319
when you watch the behind the scenes

1267
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:26,359
documentary but basically any time we

1268
00:50:30,339 --> 00:50:28,130
were at this farmhouse which is almost

1269
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:30,349
the entire time we were filming there

1270
00:50:33,309 --> 00:50:31,730
because unless we were on location we

1271
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:33,319
filmed all the interviews and everything

1272
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:35,690
right around that farmhouse mm-hmm so it

1273
00:50:38,499 --> 00:50:36,890
was kind of funny because the entire

1274
00:50:40,690 --> 00:50:38,509
time we were there that light in the

1275
00:50:42,849 --> 00:50:40,700
basement would come on and go off at any

1276
00:50:44,380 --> 00:50:42,859
time we were outside after dark it was

1277
00:50:46,269 --> 00:50:44,390
coming on and going off every five

1278
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:46,279
minutes so they were convinced the Brad

1279
00:50:51,279 --> 00:50:49,250
was haunting the entire production of

1280
00:50:52,299 --> 00:50:51,289
invasion on Chestnut Ridge so that was

1281
00:50:55,029 --> 00:50:52,309
probably the funniest thing that

1282
00:50:56,799 --> 00:50:55,039
happened also like it's it's Brad it's

1283
00:51:00,370 --> 00:50:56,809
like the least frightening name for a

1284
00:51:02,349 --> 00:51:00,380
ghost I was just gonna say Oh Brad it

1285
00:51:06,279 --> 00:51:02,359
sounds like he should be a skiing on the

1286
00:51:08,589 --> 00:51:06,289
slopes in an 80s movie yeah well that's

1287
00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:08,599
pretty interesting well I mean in terms

1288
00:51:13,150 --> 00:51:10,700
of invasion on Chestnut Ridge says you

1289
00:51:15,579 --> 00:51:13,160
have a very specific style with this

1290
00:51:18,849 --> 00:51:15,589
film which was really cool to see and

1291
00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:18,859
that's kind of this like 80s vibe you

1292
00:51:23,890 --> 00:51:20,839
know you got the neon lights in the

1293
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:23,900
title card and you even feature some

1294
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:26,450
amazing cover art by by our very own

1295
00:51:31,029 --> 00:51:29,359
into the phrase Sam Sheeran I will post

1296
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:31,039
this cover out on the website and the

1297
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:33,170
show notes what made you want to go this

1298
00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:35,630
route in terms of giving this film that

1299
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:39,140
VHS kind of feel I loved it I thought it

1300
00:51:42,849 --> 00:51:40,970
was a great choice there's a couple

1301
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:42,859
things there's two things one as a kid

1302
00:51:46,749 --> 00:51:44,450
when I when I used to go to the video

1303
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:46,759
store they had a little section of like

1304
00:51:52,269 --> 00:51:49,839
paranormal and ghosts like supernatural

1305
00:51:54,099 --> 00:51:52,279
documentaries that were on VHS and

1306
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:54,109
looking back on it now I'm pretty sure

1307
00:51:57,519 --> 00:51:55,730
there's probably stuff like sightings

1308
00:51:59,799 --> 00:51:57,529
and you know things like like I look

1309
00:52:00,970 --> 00:51:59,809
like old shows like that but as a kid I

1310
00:52:02,980 --> 00:52:00,980
didn't know what they were

1311
00:52:05,049 --> 00:52:02,990
I just knew to avoid that section

1312
00:52:07,089 --> 00:52:05,059
because it terrified me because it was

1313
00:52:09,819 --> 00:52:07,099
real you know and I can remember

1314
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:09,829
watching some of those shows as a kid

1315
00:52:14,019 --> 00:52:12,049
and being horrified my grandma's

1316
00:52:16,660 --> 00:52:14,029
absolute favorite show when I was little

1317
00:52:18,579 --> 00:52:16,670
was unsolved mysteries with Robert Stack

1318
00:52:20,829 --> 00:52:18,589
and so when I

1319
00:52:23,289 --> 00:52:20,839
was doing when we were working on this

1320
00:52:25,209 --> 00:52:23,299
movie I started watching every single

1321
00:52:26,469 --> 00:52:25,219
episode of unsolved mysteries and

1322
00:52:28,180 --> 00:52:26,479
actually worked my way back through

1323
00:52:31,089 --> 00:52:28,190
every single episode that's on Amazon

1324
00:52:34,690 --> 00:52:31,099
now so I've watched every episode of the

1325
00:52:37,630 --> 00:52:34,700
show again and I I was always aware that

1326
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,640
I wanted the movie to have that 80s vibe

1327
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,680
which is funny because there's only one

1328
00:52:43,569 --> 00:52:41,359
story in the entire film that takes

1329
00:52:47,140 --> 00:52:43,579
place in the 80s it's not set in the 80s

1330
00:52:50,019 --> 00:52:47,150
or anything but it was informed by as a

1331
00:52:51,609 --> 00:52:50,029
kid that you know that entire idea of

1332
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:51,619
like there's something very unnerving

1333
00:52:57,249 --> 00:52:54,529
about about that to me personally to

1334
00:53:01,539 --> 00:52:57,259
maybe to everyone else the idea of like

1335
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,549
those those silly VHS episodes of like

1336
00:53:05,650 --> 00:53:03,200
sightings where they combined like three

1337
00:53:07,269 --> 00:53:05,660
episodes into one into one movie or

1338
00:53:08,979 --> 00:53:07,279
whatever there's probably nothing scary

1339
00:53:10,690 --> 00:53:08,989
about that to anyone else but I wanted

1340
00:53:12,819 --> 00:53:10,700
to recapture that and then the other

1341
00:53:16,829 --> 00:53:12,829
thing is that this story that Eric

1342
00:53:20,410 --> 00:53:16,839
Hoffman told about the Mohawk Bigfoot

1343
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:20,420
yeah yeah as soon as so so for for

1344
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,710
listeners there's a story in the film

1345
00:53:26,890 --> 00:53:24,079
that basically boils down to this guy

1346
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:26,900
was fishing and ended up encountering

1347
00:53:33,579 --> 00:53:29,690
this Bigfoot that chased him to his car

1348
00:53:36,219 --> 00:53:33,589
and stuck his hand in a window and the

1349
00:53:39,459 --> 00:53:36,229
Bigfoot supposedly had a mohawk and as

1350
00:53:42,009 --> 00:53:39,469
Eric was telling the story to us I got

1351
00:53:44,259 --> 00:53:42,019
this like grin on my face because like I

1352
00:53:47,019 --> 00:53:44,269
could instantly visualize what Matt

1353
00:53:49,180 --> 00:53:47,029
Harris would draw if he if he was

1354
00:53:50,890 --> 00:53:49,190
illustrating that scene so I wanted that

1355
00:53:52,690 --> 00:53:50,900
in the film and the more I thought about

1356
00:53:54,430 --> 00:53:52,700
it the more I wanted that to kind of

1357
00:53:57,609 --> 00:53:54,440
influence the entire aesthetic of the

1358
00:53:59,620 --> 00:53:57,619
movie and so so as soon as I talked to

1359
00:54:01,569 --> 00:53:59,630
Sam about what I wanted the poster look

1360
00:54:03,489 --> 00:54:01,579
like I was like I want it to be a tease

1361
00:54:06,579 --> 00:54:03,499
I want it to be like something you would

1362
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:06,589
see on a on a VHS you know on your local

1363
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:10,160
video store shelf back in like 1989 or

1364
00:54:15,130 --> 00:54:13,249
1990 so it influenced the entire movie

1365
00:54:18,219 --> 00:54:15,140
what I would I had to be very cautious

1366
00:54:21,219 --> 00:54:18,229
of was that we weren't stepping into

1367
00:54:23,859 --> 00:54:21,229
like parody or you know like I never I

1368
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:23,869
never wanted it to be like intrusive so

1369
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:26,450
so I wanted you to get that kind of like

1370
00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:28,609
sense like a like an 80s kind of vibe

1371
00:54:32,110 --> 00:54:31,069
but I didn't want it to be like hey look

1372
00:54:34,090 --> 00:54:32,120
how 80s we

1373
00:54:35,980 --> 00:54:34,100
you know link I didn't want thriller

1374
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:35,990
playing throughout you know an entire

1375
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:37,910
entire sequences or anything like that

1376
00:54:42,730 --> 00:54:40,250
but I wanted it to feel like that and it

1377
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:42,740
obviously is pushed along heavily by

1378
00:54:47,140 --> 00:54:44,810
Brandon's score cuz Brandon really

1379
00:54:50,050 --> 00:54:47,150
brought in Brandon went and rented like

1380
00:54:53,350 --> 00:54:50,060
the sexual sin and a lot of the music he

1381
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:53,360
created with the synthesizer for the

1382
00:54:57,610 --> 00:54:55,610
film so the the finished sound of the

1383
00:55:00,550 --> 00:54:57,620
film is even very 80s even though it's

1384
00:55:02,170 --> 00:55:00,560
not Brandon really pulled back with this

1385
00:55:03,790 --> 00:55:02,180
score and it's kind of cool coming off

1386
00:55:06,070 --> 00:55:03,800
of Mothman which is very the Mothman

1387
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:06,080
score is very much in the forefront and

1388
00:55:11,050 --> 00:55:08,510
it really like propels that kind of

1389
00:55:13,330 --> 00:55:11,060
emotional mood that prevails through

1390
00:55:15,850 --> 00:55:13,340
that film and in this it's much it's not

1391
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:15,860
toned back but it's a little it's a

1392
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,650
little less in-your-face and but there's

1393
00:55:23,050 --> 00:55:20,960
something very very unnerving about it

1394
00:55:24,580 --> 00:55:23,060
too especially the first song the song

1395
00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:24,590
that comes up during the opening credits

1396
00:55:29,380 --> 00:55:26,900
of the movie but the 80s were always

1397
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:29,390
going to be for whatever reason

1398
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:31,010
stylistically this movie was always

1399
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:32,770
going to be that kind of like 80s

1400
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:35,450
unsolved mysteries project that I had

1401
00:55:40,330 --> 00:55:38,570
had been terrified of as a kid you and

1402
00:55:42,550 --> 00:55:40,340
me both brother for sure whenever that

1403
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:42,560
Unseld mysteries music came on I left

1404
00:55:48,670 --> 00:55:45,890
the room but when you're right when

1405
00:55:50,740 --> 00:55:48,680
Brandon's music comes in in those first

1406
00:55:52,930 --> 00:55:50,750
shots which we will not give away those

1407
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:52,940
first shots of the film mixed with that

1408
00:55:58,900 --> 00:55:56,810
music it really is unnerving and really

1409
00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:58,910
draws you in and as soon as I start when

1410
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:02,000
I push play I'm like oh okay here we go

1411
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:03,890
so again we won't give them a give away

1412
00:56:07,660 --> 00:56:05,810
too much I think we've covered a lot in

1413
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,670
terms of the film itself let's leave

1414
00:56:11,980 --> 00:56:09,680
some for the viewers but what what

1415
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:11,990
advice would you give to an aspiring

1416
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:14,690
filmmaker out there he's like you came

1417
00:56:19,420 --> 00:56:17,570
from a very learn as you go

1418
00:56:21,490 --> 00:56:19,430
format would you suggest this to other

1419
00:56:24,550 --> 00:56:21,500
filmmakers out there or should they you

1420
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:24,560
know go right into film school no yeah I

1421
00:56:27,730 --> 00:56:26,090
don't know I never went to film school

1422
00:56:29,050 --> 00:56:27,740
so I don't know anything about it and I

1423
00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:29,060
hate to shoot it then because they know

1424
00:56:33,370 --> 00:56:31,670
Zak went to exactly the guy that shoots

1425
00:56:35,740 --> 00:56:33,380
our movie Zac palmesano who's been my

1426
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,750
buddy since I was a kid and like we kind

1427
00:56:39,130 --> 00:56:37,760
of bonded over the fact that we both

1428
00:56:41,350 --> 00:56:39,140
wanted to be filmmakers when we were

1429
00:56:44,410 --> 00:56:41,360
here about 18 he went to film school he

1430
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:44,420
went to Full Sail and so I know nothing

1431
00:56:48,170 --> 00:56:45,870
about film school and I hate to

1432
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,180
having said that if people want to make

1433
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:50,160
movies what I tell them to do is just go

1434
00:56:54,830 --> 00:56:52,890
make a movie and I have friends who were

1435
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:54,840
making movies or trying to make movies

1436
00:56:59,090 --> 00:56:56,850
and the most consistent thing I see

1437
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,100
happen is that they talk a lot about

1438
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:01,200
making a movie without ever making a

1439
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:02,970
movie to the point where maybe they're

1440
00:57:07,580 --> 00:57:05,760
even filming their movie without

1441
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:07,590
realizing they're not actively making

1442
00:57:12,770 --> 00:57:10,710
the movie III and what I mean by that is

1443
00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:12,780
I think you can get so caught up in the

1444
00:57:18,740 --> 00:57:16,230
act of filming on your your project that

1445
00:57:20,570 --> 00:57:18,750
you don't ever actually stop simply

1446
00:57:23,090 --> 00:57:20,580
filming and move on to the act of

1447
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:23,100
putting the the final thing together and

1448
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,660
that holds true especially with

1449
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:26,640
obviously with documentarians more so

1450
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:28,050
than then like someone who's making a

1451
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,490
fictional film you'll need to actually

1452
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:31,680
make that fish feel film and shoot it

1453
00:57:36,740 --> 00:57:34,170
yeah but as far as far as documentarians

1454
00:57:38,780 --> 00:57:36,750
go especially you can fall into this

1455
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:38,790
rabbit down this rabbit hole of like I'm

1456
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:40,110
just gonna keep shooting interviews

1457
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:42,330
because maybe if something amazing will

1458
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:44,280
happen and that's great but at some

1459
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:45,930
point the biggest thing is to sit down

1460
00:57:51,860 --> 00:57:47,970
and start putting your film together in

1461
00:57:54,350 --> 00:57:51,870
post and so the advice I just keep

1462
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:54,360
giving people is like that cheesy like

1463
00:57:59,300 --> 00:57:57,810
Nike's logo Nike logo is just just you

1464
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,310
honestly just have to get to a point

1465
00:58:04,130 --> 00:58:00,960
where you do it you know go out and you

1466
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:04,140
you make the movie and honestly it is

1467
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:06,180
true like whatever you do first if it's

1468
00:58:08,780 --> 00:58:07,710
your first thing more than likely it's

1469
00:58:12,050 --> 00:58:08,790
not gonna be great

1470
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:12,060
and and that's fine like our first two

1471
00:58:17,390 --> 00:58:14,460
films Minerva monster and beast of

1472
00:58:20,660 --> 00:58:17,400
Whitehall have tons of issues I mean

1473
00:58:22,610 --> 00:58:20,670
Minerva it holds up fairly well actually

1474
00:58:24,830 --> 00:58:22,620
even though it was the first thing we'd

1475
00:58:27,620 --> 00:58:24,840
ever done and you know the sound is

1476
00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:27,630
atrocious at times and there's you know

1477
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,820
it's like there's there's just scenes

1478
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:31,440
that are strung together but at the

1479
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:33,810
heart is it still is a decent little

1480
00:58:39,290 --> 00:58:36,660
amateur movie and Beast of Whitehall I'm

1481
00:58:40,790 --> 00:58:39,300
really proud of because I shot the

1482
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:40,800
entire thing myself and we made the

1483
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:43,770
movie in about a day and a half and it's

1484
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:46,710
it's found a really big audience but

1485
00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:48,690
they're both you know there's tons of

1486
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:50,520
errors in those movies and technical

1487
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:52,110
problems and the same thing holds true

1488
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:54,570
with boggy creek monster in facts with

1489
00:58:57,860 --> 00:58:56,370
boggy creek monster I'm almost finding

1490
00:58:58,620 --> 00:58:57,870
more errors than some of the other

1491
00:59:00,180 --> 00:58:58,630
earlier

1492
00:59:02,759 --> 00:59:00,190
and it's just cuz we filmed a movie and

1493
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:02,769
shows on such a like tight schedule and

1494
00:59:05,999 --> 00:59:03,910
we were dealing with all this

1495
00:59:08,940 --> 00:59:06,009
professional equipment none of us knew

1496
00:59:11,849 --> 00:59:08,950
how to use you know but at that movie

1497
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:11,859
still has a big following and I've had

1498
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:13,089
people tell me it's their absolute

1499
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:15,910
favorite Bigfoot movie and the moths

1500
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:17,170
Dana Point Pleasant was our first time

1501
00:59:21,569 --> 00:59:19,450
to start working with like CG effects

1502
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,579
and having creature shots in the movies

1503
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:23,920
and having an animator do animated

1504
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:26,529
sequences and invasions the first time

1505
00:59:31,140 --> 00:59:29,170
we kind of stepped away from the formula

1506
00:59:34,890 --> 00:59:31,150
we'd established with the first four

1507
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:34,900
movies and you're always gonna be fixing

1508
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:38,049
little things you know if if you're to a

1509
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:39,970
point where you're making a movie and

1510
00:59:43,769 --> 00:59:41,890
you look at it and you think where you

1511
00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:43,779
say to yourself man that was great like

1512
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:46,660
I killed it then you are egotistical and

1513
00:59:50,339 --> 00:59:48,640
delusional because there's no way you're

1514
00:59:52,650 --> 00:59:50,349
gonna watch your own project to say that

1515
00:59:54,930 --> 00:59:52,660
if you're the type of creator who's

1516
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,940
going to grow like you need to be the

1517
00:59:58,859 --> 00:59:56,559
type of creator who looks at what you've

1518
01:00:00,930 --> 00:59:58,869
just done and sees all those errors so

1519
01:00:02,219 --> 01:00:00,940
you can start fixing them on that next

1520
01:00:04,589 --> 01:00:02,229
project and that's why you're that's

1521
01:00:07,650 --> 01:00:04,599
that way you're always like continuing

1522
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:07,660
to improve from movie to movie and

1523
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:09,609
people say well it's been really great

1524
01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:12,609
watching you improve and and that's how

1525
01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:17,700
we do it with with a lot of masochistic

1526
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:20,440
we watch what we do and we think that's

1527
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:22,569
awful I got I have to fix that like I

1528
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:25,599
can never watch these movies and in a

1529
01:00:29,759 --> 01:00:27,609
place where I watch them and I think all

1530
01:00:31,650 --> 01:00:29,769
that was great now this past weekend I

1531
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:31,660
watched Mothman with that crowd and that

1532
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,910
was the first time I really went in and

1533
01:00:37,410 --> 01:00:35,680
I might you know maybe it was the fact

1534
01:00:38,670 --> 01:00:37,420
that the crowd was so enthusiastic or

1535
01:00:40,529 --> 01:00:38,680
something like that but I was able to

1536
01:00:42,809 --> 01:00:40,539
stand in the back of the room and watch

1537
01:00:44,969 --> 01:00:42,819
the movie and see the crowd reacting to

1538
01:00:46,469 --> 01:00:44,979
it and that we lost a few people

1539
01:00:49,890 --> 01:00:46,479
actually walked out of the movie because

1540
01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:49,900
they got so creeped out so and that was

1541
01:00:53,099 --> 01:00:51,640
a big deal for me because I just thought

1542
01:00:54,930 --> 01:00:53,109
that was cool that I emotionally

1543
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,940
impacted those people so much that they

1544
01:00:58,410 --> 01:00:56,559
had to leave the room not just me but

1545
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,420
you know like every and the music and

1546
01:01:02,459 --> 01:01:00,160
all that stuff and and that was one of

1547
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:02,469
the few few times have watched one of

1548
01:01:06,539 --> 01:01:04,210
the movies where I was able to disengage

1549
01:01:09,089 --> 01:01:06,549
you know enough to enjoy it for a few

1550
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:09,099
minutes but for the most part I like the

1551
01:01:12,359 --> 01:01:11,710
fact that I see only what we could be

1552
01:01:14,219 --> 01:01:12,369
doing better

1553
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:14,229
because it means well hopefully always

1554
01:01:18,989 --> 01:01:16,809
be continuing to improve absolutely and

1555
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:18,999
your audience will you know follow you

1556
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:20,890
and support you on that journey I think

1557
01:01:24,359 --> 01:01:22,089
that's incredible you know hearing

1558
01:01:26,370 --> 01:01:24,369
because we do as artists we make this

1559
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:26,380
for an audience not necessarily for

1560
01:01:29,999 --> 01:01:28,690
ourselves if that is the kind of artist

1561
01:01:33,509 --> 01:01:30,009
you are like you mentioned that is

1562
01:01:36,450 --> 01:01:33,519
extremely egotistical self selfish and

1563
01:01:38,430 --> 01:01:36,460
not not really worth anyone's time you

1564
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:38,440
know I can sort of relate in terms of

1565
01:01:44,190 --> 01:01:40,809
people walking out I have a play

1566
01:01:46,769 --> 01:01:44,200
premiering in New York in October called

1567
01:01:49,380 --> 01:01:46,779
Easton red this is a modern-day take on

1568
01:01:51,569 --> 01:01:49,390
the Jack the Ripper murders and I had my

1569
01:01:54,209 --> 01:01:51,579
first ever production of it in New York

1570
01:01:56,009 --> 01:01:54,219
the first night the opening night you

1571
01:01:58,829 --> 01:01:56,019
know the the opening scene

1572
01:02:00,959 --> 01:01:58,839
this figure opens a window from outside

1573
01:02:03,390 --> 01:02:00,969
comes into a room you don't know who

1574
01:02:05,009 --> 01:02:03,400
they are it goes into a closet and

1575
01:02:07,229 --> 01:02:05,019
closes the door and then the lights come

1576
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:07,239
up in the play starts so this guy in the

1577
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:09,369
front row immediately gets up and says

1578
01:02:14,910 --> 01:02:12,400
nope nope I'm done and walked out so

1579
01:02:16,739 --> 01:02:14,920
that I I know that feeling of like in

1580
01:02:19,709 --> 01:02:16,749
audience's reaction and how that can

1581
01:02:22,019 --> 01:02:19,719
really help you find you know what works

1582
01:02:24,690 --> 01:02:22,029
in a film what doesn't what works in a

1583
01:02:27,870 --> 01:02:24,700
play what doesn't and again like they

1584
01:02:30,359 --> 01:02:27,880
are your biggest influencers I would say

1585
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:30,369
in terms of where you're growing where

1586
01:02:34,259 --> 01:02:32,410
you're heading next but I think at the

1587
01:02:36,779 --> 01:02:34,269
heart of it are these mysteries that you

1588
01:02:38,819 --> 01:02:36,789
decide to put a microscope on so in

1589
01:02:40,589 --> 01:02:38,829
terms of that what can we expect next

1590
01:02:43,259 --> 01:02:40,599
from small town monsters I know you've

1591
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:43,269
got a couple projects down the road yeah

1592
01:02:47,969 --> 01:02:45,910
we're producing so we're ramping up a

1593
01:02:50,370 --> 01:02:47,979
little bit which is funny because I was

1594
01:02:52,109 --> 01:02:50,380
I kept saying 2017 was gonna be our down

1595
01:02:54,539 --> 01:02:52,119
year there's there's some huge

1596
01:02:56,489 --> 01:02:54,549
life-changing things actually in the

1597
01:02:59,309 --> 01:02:56,499
works that just came up today as well

1598
01:03:01,620 --> 01:02:59,319
but I can't talk about those yet but

1599
01:03:04,589 --> 01:03:01,630
maybe later so so what we're working on

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01:03:07,229 --> 01:03:04,599
in 2018 is flatwoods monster which is

1601
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:07,239
our official sixth film and that will be

1602
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:09,910
a short film more like Beast Boy haul I

1603
01:03:14,940 --> 01:03:12,130
like playing around with the running

1604
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:14,950
time of our movies and and I love shorts

1605
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:18,640
I actually I probably prefer the run

1606
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:21,249
time Avista Whitehall - - the longer you

1607
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:22,690
know kind of like boggy creek monster

1608
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:24,609
run time but I wanted to do something a

1609
01:03:27,630 --> 01:03:26,170
little bit more like that again so

1610
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:27,640
flatwoods monster is gonna be about a

1611
01:03:33,180 --> 01:03:30,640
3035 minute long short film and that

1612
01:03:35,789 --> 01:03:33,190
will round out the Appalachian monsters

1613
01:03:37,740 --> 01:03:35,799
trilogy which started with Mothman and

1614
01:03:39,329 --> 01:03:37,750
went to invasion on Chestnut Ridge and

1615
01:03:41,970 --> 01:03:39,339
then it'll end with flatwoods and then

1616
01:03:45,059 --> 01:03:41,980
following that up we'll be on the trail

1617
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:45,069
of champ which is a small town monster's

1618
01:03:51,420 --> 01:03:47,529
production but directed by alexander

1619
01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:51,430
petrov who is a super talented filmmaker

1620
01:03:55,950 --> 01:03:54,190
from from New England from the New

1621
01:03:57,660 --> 01:03:55,960
England states he lives up and I think

1622
01:03:58,589 --> 01:03:57,670
Maine or maybe it's Massachusetts he's

1623
01:04:01,920 --> 01:03:58,599
down by Boston

1624
01:04:04,650 --> 01:04:01,930
anyway he him and I met about maybe two

1625
01:04:07,019 --> 01:04:04,660
years ago when I saw his documentary

1626
01:04:09,269 --> 01:04:07,029
short called mystery at Loch Ness and

1627
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:09,279
we'd been wanting to work with him

1628
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:11,650
because his style is a lot different

1629
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:13,210
from mine he's much more of like a new

1630
01:04:17,309 --> 01:04:15,369
shooter you know like he's he's there to

1631
01:04:19,289 --> 01:04:17,319
get the story told and he's usually on

1632
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:19,299
the ground with people you know like

1633
01:04:22,740 --> 01:04:20,890
it's a little different from what we do

1634
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:22,750
with small town monsters and originally

1635
01:04:26,370 --> 01:04:24,609
we had talked about him directing like a

1636
01:04:28,019 --> 01:04:26,380
small town monster short film like

1637
01:04:30,059 --> 01:04:28,029
flatwoods or something like that and

1638
01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:30,069
then I kind of hit upon the idea of

1639
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:33,190
having him do this miniseries style

1640
01:04:38,970 --> 01:04:36,970
format series about champ the lake

1641
01:04:41,249 --> 01:04:38,980
monster of Lake Champlain and instead of

1642
01:04:42,809 --> 01:04:41,259
it solely being about you know people

1643
01:04:44,970 --> 01:04:42,819
and their sighting encounters actually

1644
01:04:47,099 --> 01:04:44,980
having him go out with researchers who

1645
01:04:48,839 --> 01:04:47,109
were actively looking for champs so

1646
01:04:50,430 --> 01:04:48,849
that's what he spends a lot of time on

1647
01:04:53,069 --> 01:04:50,440
the boat and in the water

1648
01:04:54,180 --> 01:04:53,079
underwater you know like looking for

1649
01:04:57,210 --> 01:04:54,190
champs and that kind of stuff but as

1650
01:05:01,140 --> 01:04:57,220
well it's gonna be probably the most the

1651
01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:01,150
deepest dive into the champ story that

1652
01:05:05,849 --> 01:05:03,369
you can find because it's a it's at

1653
01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:05,859
least a six episode miniseries with 22

1654
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:08,500
minute episodes focusing on everything

1655
01:05:13,410 --> 01:05:10,480
from the history of Lake Champlain and

1656
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:13,420
the champ sightings going back to - you

1657
01:05:18,329 --> 01:05:15,089
know the first time the lake was found

1658
01:05:21,329 --> 01:05:18,339
up until today so it's it's gonna be a

1659
01:05:23,099 --> 01:05:21,339
really in-depth look at that story and

1660
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:23,109
it's really fascinating there's all

1661
01:05:27,630 --> 01:05:25,119
these side stories that he's come across

1662
01:05:30,420 --> 01:05:27,640
that you know like like PT Barnum was

1663
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:30,430
involved in a hunt for champ and all the

1664
01:05:34,109 --> 01:05:31,690
study you're gonna get a lot of that

1665
01:05:35,549 --> 01:05:34,119
kind of yeah like really cool backstory

1666
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:35,559
that people probably don't know about

1667
01:05:39,810 --> 01:05:38,799
and then we just announced that the

1668
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:39,820
seventh

1669
01:05:44,820 --> 01:05:41,890
Multi Monsters film will be Bray Road

1670
01:05:47,370 --> 01:05:44,830
beast which we are releasing probably

1671
01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:47,380
next October and that will come out

1672
01:05:51,030 --> 01:05:49,270
yeah probably next docto I'm thinking

1673
01:05:52,860 --> 01:05:51,040
probably a little bit earlier than

1674
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:52,870
invasion did this year I like the idea

1675
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:53,890
of getting something out around

1676
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:56,650
Halloween yeah so and and that should be

1677
01:06:00,570 --> 01:05:58,240
like the perfect movie to put out we'll

1678
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:00,580
start shooting that one around April

1679
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:03,010
we've got witnesses lined up we're

1680
01:06:07,770 --> 01:06:04,720
already lining up witnesses actually

1681
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:07,780
this past weekend I met a beast of Bray

1682
01:06:11,730 --> 01:06:09,490
Road witness who's gonna be in the film

1683
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:11,740
so that was pretty cool and then we we

1684
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:14,530
had this really cool piece of luck where

1685
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:18,250
we met someone who owns a farm land out

1686
01:06:21,420 --> 01:06:20,110
out on Bray Road who's gonna let us use

1687
01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:21,430
their house kind of like the

1688
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:23,380
headquarters we always need like a place

1689
01:06:26,820 --> 01:06:24,970
to kind of like have all of her

1690
01:06:28,740 --> 01:06:26,830
equipment that we don't need something

1691
01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:28,750
like that so we came across someone like

1692
01:06:33,450 --> 01:06:31,120
that so Bray Road beast is next beyond

1693
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:33,460
that that is the first film in the

1694
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:35,710
monsters of the Midwest trilogy so the

1695
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:39,370
next two after Bray Road of the you know

1696
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:42,400
standard small town monster series will

1697
01:06:48,210 --> 01:06:45,760
be set in the Midwest and I'm I know

1698
01:06:50,370 --> 01:06:48,220
what they are I just can't you know say

1699
01:06:52,140 --> 01:06:50,380
anything yet and then we are working on

1700
01:06:54,420 --> 01:06:52,150
the small town monsters guide book it's

1701
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:54,430
it's more than likely coming out through

1702
01:06:58,620 --> 01:06:57,250
a fairly well-known publisher or it's

1703
01:07:00,600 --> 01:06:58,630
coming out independently it kind of

1704
01:07:02,190 --> 01:07:00,610
depends on what I want to do that

1705
01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:02,200
because apparently I have a hard time

1706
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:04,390
you know being told what to do and

1707
01:07:09,060 --> 01:07:06,910
working with distribution company stuff

1708
01:07:11,820 --> 01:07:09,070
like that like you said very early on in

1709
01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:11,830
this talk that that Hollywood is you

1710
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:14,760
know Hollywood is is kind of prehistoric

1711
01:07:21,660 --> 01:07:18,850
and I recently came to the realization

1712
01:07:24,270 --> 01:07:21,670
that television is also a dinosaur so

1713
01:07:26,010 --> 01:07:24,280
like I really think that the best way to

1714
01:07:28,530 --> 01:07:26,020
do this stuff is independently and if

1715
01:07:30,810 --> 01:07:28,540
you can get someone on board who sees

1716
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:30,820
your vision and is okay with that and

1717
01:07:35,310 --> 01:07:32,650
sees the value in it and there's willing

1718
01:07:37,260 --> 01:07:35,320
to push your vision out to a larger

1719
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:37,270
audience through whether that's

1720
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:39,610
television or Netflix or whatever you

1721
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:41,920
know whether it's through a large-scale

1722
01:07:44,430 --> 01:07:43,330
publisher or whatever it is that's

1723
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:44,440
awesome that's great

1724
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:48,010
but don't sell out what you see a value

1725
01:07:53,250 --> 01:07:50,170
in and what you're convinced there's an

1726
01:07:53,730 --> 01:07:53,260
interest in just because you think that

1727
01:07:55,410 --> 01:07:53,740
is the

1728
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:55,420
only way of gaining an audience because

1729
01:07:58,700 --> 01:07:57,010
the way things are going is just not the

1730
01:08:00,720 --> 01:07:58,710
case you can you can grow an audience

1731
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:00,730
organically you're by yourself

1732
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:03,490
completely independently because small

1733
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:06,130
town monsters begin life as as minner of

1734
01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:09,520
a monster and it was it's always been me

1735
01:08:13,020 --> 01:08:11,110
running this I run all our social media

1736
01:08:15,390 --> 01:08:13,030
and all that stuff but our art following

1737
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:15,400
just continues to grow because people do

1738
01:08:18,809 --> 01:08:16,930
see a value in what we're doing and they

1739
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:18,819
love the approach that we're taking and

1740
01:08:22,860 --> 01:08:21,250
we were told very early on by production

1741
01:08:24,539 --> 01:08:22,870
companies we talked with during the

1742
01:08:26,579 --> 01:08:24,549
making of nerd monster who who got

1743
01:08:29,550 --> 01:08:26,589
interested because the animal planet

1744
01:08:32,190 --> 01:08:29,560
story that they wanted to change small

1745
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:32,200
town monsters into me and the two

1746
01:08:35,789 --> 01:08:33,970
producers in a van with Megan Fox

1747
01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:35,799
running around the country looking for

1748
01:08:41,249 --> 01:08:39,190
masters like there's no that they don't

1749
01:08:42,930 --> 01:08:41,259
know they don't get it and and they

1750
01:08:44,340 --> 01:08:42,940
probably never will so unless they see

1751
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:44,350
the value in what you're doing and

1752
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:46,089
they're willing to push that thing out

1753
01:08:51,329 --> 01:08:49,930
whatever your thing is as is then just

1754
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:51,339
keep doing it yourself and eventually

1755
01:08:55,470 --> 01:08:53,290
it's gonna find this audience absolutely

1756
01:08:59,099 --> 01:08:55,480
man I mean coming from someone who's

1757
01:09:02,039 --> 01:08:59,109
lived in New York City and LA know for

1758
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:02,049
about three weeks do you be yourself

1759
01:09:06,900 --> 01:09:05,170
make your own work and somebody will

1760
01:09:09,420 --> 01:09:06,910
take notice if even if that's not a

1761
01:09:10,829 --> 01:09:09,430
television or movie producer it is an

1762
01:09:13,470 --> 01:09:10,839
audience and that's what's most

1763
01:09:15,210 --> 01:09:13,480
important so you know I couldn't agree

1764
01:09:17,519 --> 01:09:15,220
more I think what you're doing is

1765
01:09:19,470 --> 01:09:17,529
incredible where can we find out more

1766
01:09:21,780 --> 01:09:19,480
about what you're doing and where to

1767
01:09:24,780 --> 01:09:21,790
find invasion on Chestnut Ridge small

1768
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:24,790
town monster's calm is the hub for

1769
01:09:27,900 --> 01:09:26,290
everything and it's been recently

1770
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:27,910
updated so there's a lot of info on

1771
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,290
there on everything all the way up to

1772
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:31,359
you're on the tear trailer camped out

1773
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:33,130
small town monsters coms where you can

1774
01:09:39,420 --> 01:09:35,890
get DVDs t-shirts and all of our merch

1775
01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:39,430
because we operate like a band and the

1776
01:09:45,539 --> 01:09:42,310
the movies are available through Amazon

1777
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:45,549
and Vimeo on demand but we did sign with

1778
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:48,880
a distributor called terror films they

1779
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:52,330
are currently eyeing I don't know if I'm

1780
01:09:55,410 --> 01:09:53,650
allowed to say so I'm gonna say it

1781
01:09:57,210 --> 01:09:55,420
anyway because I really need them to get

1782
01:09:59,940 --> 01:09:57,220
the movie out it's supposed to be out on

1783
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:59,950
October 27th to a wide audience through

1784
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:01,600
iTunes Google Play all that kind of

1785
01:10:06,060 --> 01:10:03,280
stuff so hopefully that all flies

1786
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:06,070
through and and hopefully Mothman hits

1787
01:10:09,150 --> 01:10:07,450
everything

1788
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:09,160
tober twenty-seventh invasion I'm not

1789
01:10:12,450 --> 01:10:10,930
sure about yet we're actually right

1790
01:10:15,060 --> 01:10:12,460
before I got on here with you I was

1791
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:15,070
talking to the sales agent trying to

1792
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:17,890
decide on a date when invasion will be

1793
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:20,080
available to you know on all those

1794
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:22,210
platforms as of right now invasion will

1795
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:25,360
be available on Amazon on October 20th

1796
01:10:30,210 --> 01:10:28,480
and DVD on October 20th but as for like

1797
01:10:31,980 --> 01:10:30,220
iTunes and Google Play and all that kind

1798
01:10:34,590 --> 01:10:31,990
of stuff I'm not a hundred percent sure

1799
01:10:35,790 --> 01:10:34,600
yeah it could honestly not it's possible

1800
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:35,800
it might not be till the beginning of

1801
01:10:40,260 --> 01:10:36,400
2018

1802
01:10:42,330 --> 01:10:40,270
so it just depends on when we it's weird

1803
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,340
cuz when a distributor brings you on and

1804
01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:44,800
you already have six movies out or five

1805
01:10:49,410 --> 01:10:46,720
movies out there struggling with like

1806
01:10:51,810 --> 01:10:49,420
well which one which one do we release

1807
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:51,820
first so they're trying to figure out

1808
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:53,530
which comes out with when without

1809
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:55,510
overshadowing the next so I know Mothman

1810
01:11:00,180 --> 01:10:58,090
is slated for end of October and

1811
01:11:01,530 --> 01:11:00,190
hopefully following that you know but

1812
01:11:03,210 --> 01:11:01,540
just so your listeners don't get

1813
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:03,220
confused the movies are available on

1814
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:05,410
Amazon and and DVD it's just getting

1815
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:07,450
them into all these other platforms just

1816
01:11:11,550 --> 01:11:09,070
taking a little bit of time that's the

1817
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:11,560
business I get it man well so I can't

1818
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,210
thank you enough for coming on today man

1819
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:15,280
I look forward to everything you got

1820
01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:17,650
coming up and we will keep following you

1821
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:19,270
as you continue taking these journeys

1822
01:11:24,420 --> 01:11:21,330
across the United States and hopefully

1823
01:11:26,820 --> 01:11:24,430
abroad at some point I I'm sure we will

1824
01:11:28,140 --> 01:11:26,830
see and yeah man thank you again for

1825
01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:28,150
joining me on somewhere in the skies

1826
01:11:32,340 --> 01:11:30,430
yeah thanks so much alright that is it

1827
01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:32,350
for this week's episode be on the

1828
01:11:36,900 --> 01:11:34,750
lookout for invasion on Chestnut rage

1829
01:11:40,020 --> 01:11:36,910
and all of Seth Breedlove's films at

1830
01:11:42,330 --> 01:11:40,030
small town monster's calm do me a huge

1831
01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:42,340
solid guys and please take just a few

1832
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:44,230
moments to subscribe to the show on

1833
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:46,960
iTunes if you haven't already the only

1834
01:11:51,570 --> 01:11:48,970
way to be featured on the iTunes hottest

1835
01:11:53,820 --> 01:11:51,580
podcasts and noteworthy sections is by

1836
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:53,830
the number of subscribers to the podcast

1837
01:11:57,900 --> 01:11:55,930
so it would mean the world if you would

1838
01:11:59,850 --> 01:11:57,910
consider doing that and hey while you're

1839
01:12:01,980 --> 01:11:59,860
at it throw a rating and review up there

1840
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:01,990
as well thank you so so much for your

1841
01:12:07,380 --> 01:12:04,210
support we're on twitter at somewhere

1842
01:12:10,260 --> 01:12:07,390
skies instagram at somewhere skies pod

1843
01:12:12,060 --> 01:12:10,270
and all past episodes and articles can

1844
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:12,070
be found on the website somewhere in the

1845
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:12,480
sky

1846
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:15,330
skál I will see you here next Monday as

1847
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:18,570
we continue our Halloween get your EMF

1848
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:21,000
readers and spirit boxes out because we

1849
01:12:25,310 --> 01:12:23,520
will be communicating with Carl Pfeifer

1850
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:25,320
talking all about his work on Ghost

1851
01:12:30,380 --> 01:12:27,570
Hunters Academy and his investigations

1852
01:12:32,930 --> 01:12:30,390
into the Stanley Hotel and we even find

1853
01:12:35,540 --> 01:12:32,940
some time to talk all about UFOs and the

1854
01:12:37,790 --> 01:12:35,550
amazing work by Jacque felle remember

1855
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:37,800
keep your feet on the ground but never

1856
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:40,170
stop searching somewhere in the skies

1857
01:12:54,130 --> 01:12:43,410
[Laughter]

1858
01:12:58,220 --> 01:12:56,420
somewhere in the skies is produced by

1859
01:13:00,350 --> 01:12:58,230
Third Kind productions in association

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from the parenting venon a podcast on

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